Stopping the DV

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Alrighty, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Argue this. I am Alex A Truck and Trany Wanney. And this is going to be one of the roughest episodes I have done ever. And to give you a little bit of a reference point, like a week and a half ago, on the 8th, I had three of my friends die in a double murder suicide during some domestic violence. So let's, you know, just jump right in. If, if you're curious on like the whole story, I will post it in the. I'll post the news story in the link or in the description of this episode. So I know some people get too goddamn curious, but yeah, it's out there. So should men and really anybody that is going through, you know, something rather difficult be like fully disarmed. [00:01:09] Speaker B: I again, believe that we should have stricter gun laws. And I think that with that comes psych evals and stuff like that. And part of what I would prefer with our stricter gun laws too is when there are certain situations in life, they are required to do a psych eval to continue to have that gun through that situation in life, if that makes sense. [00:01:37] Speaker A: So if they were to fail that psyche, Val, or say they were not able to handle that situation, well, they would just lose their guns. Would they ever get them back? [00:01:48] Speaker B: They wouldn't lose their guns forever, but they would lose their guns until they're in a better state. It's the same as like, you know, you did something bad, so you took away your license, but you could get it back eventually. [00:02:03] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I mean, you know, that's them doing something bad. That's not something bad happening to them. [00:02:09] Speaker B: But going with, again, this is hard to say, or I'm watching my words because I know the people and stuff as well. And so it really does hit home with a lot of the things that I personally feel. But I do believe that if you are a person that has weapons, which is our constitutional right as an American, and I believe that we should be able to have weapons if we want, but we, we have to be responsible with it. So part of that responsibility is if you're going through certain things or whatnot in life that you would have to pass that type of eval for it. And again, it's part of more stricter gun legislation that I want for safer America with safer guns. Even though. [00:03:08] Speaker A: So why not just remove the person out of the situation and say, you know, hey, you know, you get over here and you know, you, you know, you two separate. [00:03:23] Speaker B: No, they would still have to separate and Stuff too. Like there's still other stuff. Yeah, but like the guns should like anything high power, like something like that should be taken away from a person. [00:03:37] Speaker A: Well, what about kitchen knives? You know, what, what about, you know. [00:03:40] Speaker B: I already knew this was going to that. [00:03:41] Speaker A: But of course, yes, I mean, but. [00:03:44] Speaker B: Like again, it's, it's a touchy subject, but you don't, in, in our American society, you don't need to prove who you are to get a, a kitchen knife or a knife or anything like that where you do as a gun and so as a gun and strictly talk about gun laws. That's where I'm talking about. Because if we're required to be like prove who we are and stuff and like ID and that type of stuff for a knife, then yeah, we should have to talk about more regulation and legislation for stuff like that. But since we in America decide not to, then we don't. [00:04:25] Speaker A: I mean like here in Colorado, we, we have a three day wait period. So if I was to, you know, go out and buy a gun, I have to wait three days, 72 hours. [00:04:34] Speaker B: Yeah, the cool down period, you know. [00:04:36] Speaker A: And I'm like, you know, whereas like, I don't, you know, really quickly though. [00:04:40] Speaker B: I thought every state had that. [00:04:41] Speaker A: No. [00:04:43] Speaker B: Okay. [00:04:43] Speaker A: We only got this like a few years ago. [00:04:45] Speaker B: No, I know we only got this a few years ago, but I thought we were one of the last states to get it. But no, I'm learning something right now. [00:04:53] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, we're one of the few states that does have it. [00:04:56] Speaker B: Okay. [00:04:56] Speaker A: I think there's like only like a, you know, like maybe 13 states that have like a waiting period. [00:05:01] Speaker B: Okay. [00:05:02] Speaker A: Like New York, California, fucking Colorado, New Mexico just got rid of theirs. They had a seven day waiting period, found it unconstitutional, kicked it on out. [00:05:14] Speaker B: I think seven days is a little long. [00:05:16] Speaker A: It is a little long. And you know, I'm like, whereas I don't agree with the three day waiting period. I get it. I see the reason behind it. But if you already can prove that you have a gun, you know, I don't see the point in it anymore. It's like, I already have the gun. You know, fuck off. My. The three day waiting period. [00:05:38] Speaker B: I agree with you on that. I have to agree with you on that because you already have a gun. Yeah. So that. [00:05:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean like, I, maybe if you like, you only have like a.22 and you're like, I want to, you know, get like now a 223 or you know, something a little bit more high powered. I'M like, okay, well, let's have a, you know, a little bit of waiting period. But I don't think it should be anybody's business. What are you going to use this for? You know, anything like that? Because there's been people that have, you know, planned out, like, the people that planned out 9 11. They planned it out probably for a few years. How are we gonna do this? They had to learn how to fly a fucking plane. They had to go to fucking flight school to learn how. [00:06:23] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure the recent podcast we talked about fly to learn how to fly a plane. And you're like, it's pretty easy. Da, da, da. So you can't, you can't now use that as a defense to plan. [00:06:33] Speaker A: I mean, still, like, you know, it's easy. Yes, it's easy to drive a car. You still have to go learn how to drive a car. You know, like, if, you know, the average Joe schmo is to hop in your car, you know, would they be able to drive it? Probably. Probably not. [00:06:47] Speaker B: I don't think most people know how to drive a stick. [00:06:51] Speaker A: Yeah, but, you know, you know how to drive a stick. And I'm like, okay. I mean, there's a lot of people I know that can. But you know, still, like, they had to, you know, plan this shit. And then they're like, okay, now it's my time to. [00:07:03] Speaker B: Yeah, but again, previous podcasts, you're, you were like, oh, you only have to do this many hours. Da, da, da. It made it seem really easy. So I just feel, Yeah, I just feel disingenuous to use that as an argument now. Want to just point that out? Words. [00:07:21] Speaker A: I mean, I mean, I, I, I, I, I slightly remember it. I slightly remember, you know, I'm like, I've definitely talked about flying planes before and how easy it is to get one, but, you know, I'm like. [00:07:38] Speaker B: And they didn't even really have to learn how to land. Yeah, I mean, they did for that license, but they have to, you know. [00:07:45] Speaker A: Have you ever seen the inside of a cockpit? Yeah, I don't know what half those fucking buttons do. I'm sure it's not just, you know, fucking grab the sticks and everything's fine. I'm sure there's rudders and janky things and, you know, other buttons. You know, what, what happens? Like, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, like, like the last day class, like, oh, there's gonna be like, this red button that, like, beeps, you know, like, for three seconds. And if you don't hit it. The plane explodes. You know, it's the anti 911 thing. Just. It kills everybody on board if you forget to, you know, hit it. [00:08:16] Speaker B: But I feel like this is a lost episode now. [00:08:20] Speaker A: I mean, I don't think it will be. It's definitely gonna get put out there. [00:08:25] Speaker B: No, do you remember the movie or show? Lost? [00:08:29] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:08:30] Speaker B: There was an episode where they gotta keep pressing the button. [00:08:33] Speaker A: I don't remember that. So here's the thing with that whole show. In the middle of that show. This is how old I fucking am in the middle of that show. I got sent to boarding school in the middle of the show. Yeah, I was watching it religiously. It came out on TV and I would sit down when it aired on tv. You know, remember that? Remember like when you couldn't just go to fucking Netflix and just, you know, I want to watch that. Oh, look, all the seasons. Oh, cool. Yeah, yeah, you had to, like, sit down. [00:09:04] Speaker B: If you miss it, you missed it. [00:09:06] Speaker A: I mean, I think we had TiVo at the time, but, you know, like, I'm like, I'm watching this shit live that way. [00:09:12] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, you're already talking about different class divide, being able to afford to send your kid off to boarding school. [00:09:18] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, we had TiVo. So it was, you know, still pretty good. [00:09:25] Speaker B: So what are you saying? That you shouldn't be back to this, you shouldn't be taken away for, or guns shouldn't be taken away from you? [00:09:37] Speaker A: I mean, here in Colorado we also have another thing called the red flag law. So if you're worried about somebody, you know, going to hurt themselves or hurt, you know, others and, you know, you know, they have guns, you can call in a red flag law on them, which is. Is completely, you know, no due process. You know, someone that's just mad at you can be like, this guy has guns. And, you know, I want you to go take all those guns away. Now I. I fully believe that, you know, the sheriff should come in and be like, hey, here's the person that made the complaint against you. And we are going to take you in and get you a psyche vow before, you know, starting to take away your guns. Give you at least a due process to find out, you know, hey, are you of mental, you know, sound mind? And you know, like, actually have like a psychologist there to be like, okay, no, he's, you know, not going through a good time. He's getting a divorce. And let's just, you know, store this for him while he goes through this. And when he can come back and, you know, prove that he's of, you know, better mind than he can have his guns back. You know, have it like an actual due process. Because everyone's screaming due process for, you know, illegal immigrants. And I'm like, okay, you know, due process for red flag laws, then. [00:11:08] Speaker B: I thought it is due process. [00:11:10] Speaker A: Oh, no, they like the way it works right now. And a lot of sheriffs will not do it. They just show up and take your guns. That's it. Take, come in, take your guns, red you've been red flagged, you know, show us your guns. And they just, you know, take them away in boxes. And then you have to like, go prove, you know, that you're okay to get your guns back. And if they lost a gun owner. [00:11:38] Speaker B: What I'm reading, they have to first petition the court. [00:11:41] Speaker A: Yeah. And then they. It's pretty fucking easy to do. [00:11:44] Speaker B: It's like I have to show the evidence and then the judge issues of order and then it's the surrender of the firearm and then it's the. What's it called? Temporary measure. Oh, they could hold it for up to a year. Yeah, okay, that part I did not know. [00:11:59] Speaker A: It pretty much runs, you know, the same as like a, you know. [00:12:03] Speaker B: Wait, so where's the non due process in this? [00:12:06] Speaker A: You don't get any. You don't get to come and defend yourself in that court. They just come in and call it in. And California is now having like the fucking. The big attorney person, the general attorney. No, it's not general attorney, like district attorney maybe being able to, you know, call in all these red flag laws and, you know, expedite the process. But yeah, it's pretty fucking quick, you know, just like, you know, any, you know, battered woman, you know, is able to go to the courts really fucking quick and get a tro, a temporary restraining order, you know, on an emergency basis. Boom. It happens real quick, you know, it has to. And so like, these things have to move quick, you know, like I, I get the reasoning behind it. I. I do. And you know how much I would love for my friends to still be alive. I would love that. You know, but at the same time, you know, what if he, you know, was like, you know, fuck it, and then just take like a kitchen knife and just. And, you know, nothing got, you know, saved. [00:13:27] Speaker B: So your defense of this, from what I understand is it would have happened anyways, so we shouldn't do anything. That's how it breaks down. [00:13:40] Speaker A: My whole thing is, you know, change up how everything is you know, done. You know, pretty much what you do is you call them in and be like, hey, come on in. And it's like, hey, how are you doing? And. [00:13:56] Speaker B: Yeah, pretty much what I said of, like, when they're going through it, they have to have a psyche valve first. [00:14:04] Speaker A: But, you know, where it's like a, you know, like, a little bit of unrest. You know, hey, you know, either A, we take away all your guns and we, you know, do that whole thing, or B, you come in and you talk to, you know, a mental, you know, professional. And, you know, you find out what the. Is going on, and we, you know, look at next steps from there. Whereas, you know, okay, cool. I have, you know, professional counseling now and someone I can really, you know, talk, you know, some shit out with. And, you know, it's, you know, gonna fucking suck. You know, like, my friends have been together since they were 19 years old and they were 32 when it happened. So that. That's. That's a lot of years. That's over a decade, right? [00:14:59] Speaker B: It's almost half their life. [00:15:01] Speaker A: And it's like, okay, you know, that absolutely fucking sucks. And, you know, I don't imagine. I can't even imagine that my friend Bradley, you know, had it in his soul to be like, okay, I'm gonna go home and I'm going to, you know, kill my wife and her best friend. I. I can't. There's no part of me that ever believes that. Like, I've known them for years, years and years and years, and I feel like it all just, you know, kind of fucking, like, supernova collapsed in on them and just, boom. You know, snap. It's like, you know, having, like, a cute puppy, you know, and every once in a while, that cute puppy will just, you know, reach out and nip. And this nip was just too fucking hard. And I imagine, like, at the. At the fucking end of it, he's like, oh, fuck. And, you know, realized what had just happened and then just ended everything. And. Yeah, I mean, if he would have, you know, survived and been arrested, none of us would have ever forgave him. There's still a lot of people that absolutely hate him for what he's done. He is a monster in a lot of people's eyes. And, like, we're. We're, you know, we. We talk about, you know, Shelby and Emma, and, you know, Emma was like, you know, like, my wife's like, Courtney, right? You know, like, that level, like, best friend, you know, like, when Emma was in town, I was Just chopped liver. It's like, you know, get you. Get you guys out of here. I'm here with my wife. And, you know, we all understood it, and it was 100% fine. But, you know, we were all. We always hung out because she lived in Taos, Emma lived in Taos, and just wrong place, wrong time, you know. [00:17:28] Speaker B: And. [00:17:29] Speaker A: But, yeah, there's. There's no part of me that can believe that this gentle dude, this dude that would have, you know, jumped in front of a moving train for his wife would. Would, you know, come home back. I'm gonna do this now. You know, I. I don't believe it was ever premeditated. I believe it was just like a, you know, maybe even an accident. I. And I mean, I hate to say. [00:18:08] Speaker B: This one, because, again, I know most of the party is involved, but it's hard to be an accident when it's more than one person. Now, it could be. Now, I do believe it's possibly not premeditated, because, again, they loved each other, at least when I knew them. [00:18:29] Speaker A: Yeah. When you knew. Yeah, that's always how they were. And, like, we walked home, you know, like, multiple times every week, and we hung out at the bar and sang songs. I made them karaoke songs. And, you know, I have all of Shelby's, you know, comedy recorded. And. Yeah, I mean. Yeah, it's just. Yeah, like. Like, what we need is, like, a men's shelter. Like, we have, you know, battered women shelters, and we absolutely need that a hundred percent, you know, but there's no such thing as, like, a men's shelter. There's, like, a halfway house. Like, if you're getting out of jail, cool. Those are necessary, too. But, you know, like, what about, like, dudes that, you know, got kicked out of the fucking house, have nowhere else to fucking really go, and, you know, don't want to be locked up with, like, a bunch of, like, you know, people that are, you know, going through recovery, rehab and all that, or, you know, just getting out of jail. Just. They're just going through a rough time. They don't want to be locked up, but they can't go home. [00:19:51] Speaker B: So I. Again, this is touchy. So I'm watching Words, and I know I am on this, and I just. [00:20:00] Speaker A: Yeah, that's why I said this was gonna be a rough episode. [00:20:02] Speaker B: But I think first we need a more societal thing of accepting. Now, I know this word's triggering of toxic masculinity and all that fun stuff, but I think we need a. Our society needs to accept men Hurt and men cry. And that starts from, again, nipping in the butt that real men don't cry or real men don't say anything, and. And that is toxic masculinity. Second, I believe that we need to have more social safety nets, such as men's shelters, but I think we should go further and have some sort of free housing, either group or individual, where, like, either a. Cause some people do better with, like, roommates and whatnot. Right? So, like, if you're going through a hard time, being bunked with someone is better for you, or have housing where, like, hey, I'm going through a hard time. I just need a room to sleep and stuff. And, like, something like that. But again, that's more social safety nets that I believe that, like, we should have in America. Like, I'm just piggybacking off of that, because I really do think your men's shelters is a good start, but I don't think it's the finish because, yes, we need to have women's shelters. We should have men shelters. We should have family shelters. We shall just shelters, if that makes sense. Because we should have some place where people who are having a hard time could just go for a moment and still have a safe roof over their head. And a moment could be a week, it could be two weeks. It could be whatever arbitrary thing we should. We could decide on as a society, but it should be something that's free, that we could just do to help with all this societal issues. [00:22:10] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean. I mean, like, you know, here's like, the, you know, like, the. The shitty part is, like, you know, Shelby, you know, reached out to all of us. Like, you know, we. We all found it, like, immediately, you know, and, like, we were all really well connected. Still are. And she's like, hey, I need you all to, like, reach out to Bradley. He's not doing well with all this. Like, they were still in, you know, contact. You know, he was, you know, trying to, you know, get all of his, you know, back together and, you know, salvage everything. And it just. And, you know, he was, you know, not living at home. He was living in his truck, you know, and just kind of, you know, giving her this, you know, the space of the, you know, the trailer that he lived in and. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that. That Wednesday, just waking up and, you know, like, I would love, you know, I would pay any amount of money to, you know, just have everything go back to the way it was to, you know, not get a phone call, you know, saying, hey, you know, we're here with Shelby, and I'm like, oh, boy. You know, put her on the phone. I. I want to talk to her. You know, how's she doing? You know, thinking, you know, maybe, you know, you have that little bit of hope, and then it just gets squashed. I'm like, oh, yeah, that was not a phone call. Fun phone call. But, yeah, I. I love for, like, that not to have happened. And what. What's even shittier is, like, the week before it happened to an older couple, they were at Walmart and, like, you know, some lady was getting off her shift. You know, an older couple, you know, the dude comes up, shoots her, shoots himself at a Walmart. I'm like, like, don't. Don't do that. Just, like, move away. Go restart everything. It's fine. Like, you know, people are like, oh, it's so hard to restart everything. It's like, no, not really. [00:24:50] Speaker B: It is hard to restart everything, but it's not. [00:24:52] Speaker A: It's hard. [00:24:53] Speaker B: It's not hard enough to justify that. Just want to be transparent. With better social safety nets, we would be able to do that, but we don't have it. So it's so hard to restart stuff. Like, that really is. [00:25:06] Speaker A: Well, I mean, like, I restarted. I've lived in many different states, you know, and I've just been like, okay, may, hop in a car and just, you know, I didn't have any place to go. Like, I moved up North Dakota. I didn't have a fucking place to live in North Dakota. I lived in my fucking car with my best friend. Me and my best friend were living in a Toyota Camry in 1998. Toyota Camry, you know, just on. On a Hope, you know, and we restarted everything and just built up an empire and, like, okay, cool. And then, like, we moved down here to Colorado, rebuilt an empire. Then he moved to, you know, North Carolina, rebuilt an empire. I'm like, it's not an impossible task. Like, it's harder if you have kids and you have, like, other responsibilities to take care of, but it's like. [00:26:01] Speaker B: Or health issues. [00:26:02] Speaker A: I mean, they didn't have health and, you know, he didn't have health issues. I mean, you know, you know, had allergies, but. [00:26:09] Speaker B: No, that's fair. But I just. Yeah, I mean, want to acknowledge that. [00:26:15] Speaker A: It is difficult to, you know, lose everything that you have. And we've had, you know, quite a few friends, you know, from that area, leave the area, you know, completely leave the area. And then they, you know, came back to the area. It was Someplace they knew and someplace I was like, kind of safe. But, you know, they left for years and we've had, you know, quite a few of them fucking, you know, just leave and just be like, I'm gonna go, you know, start an empire somewhere new. And then, you know, the only thing they have is, like, their car and their fucking, you know, clothes on their back. They don't have a job lined up. They just get out there and make it work. And, you know, it's like, God damn, I wish that he could have, you know, come the fuck on, you know, like, even if he, like, came out here and back, yeah, come on out here, you know, restart your life in Colorado Springs. And, you know, I, like, it was just something that none of us expected. No, Nobody that, you know, was there. Like, I was there. I didn't see it. He was just, you know, sad and didn't really want to, you know, talk about, you know, you know, getting divorced. I mean, no one does. No one that I've ever met is like, yeah, let's talk about, you know, my divorce. Yeah. [00:27:45] Speaker B: I mean, I think again, though, that comes from us as a society. Again, I don't want to sound like a men's rights type of person, though I do feel that, like, everyone deserve rights and everyone goes through individual things. Again, acknowledging all that. But it comes from our society of men not being able to talk about their feelings. And that comes starts again from us being like, hey, men, don't cry and stuff like that as teaching our kids, because not again, trying to sound sexist or anything, but women have so much more open relationships with, hey, I'm not doing well right now and stuff like that. Now, not all women, let's again acknowledge that. But the. If we're taking generalizations, women have more healthy relationships with other women of being able to talk about their feelings than men have healthy relationships with other men talking about, talking about their feelings. I don't give a. And if you're going to be my friend, sorry, you're gonna hear my feelings. Now, there's some that I won't say unless you brought it up, because I know how depressing I could sound and I don't want to ever weigh someone down like that. But if I, I will talk about my feelings, especially if something's bothering me, like, really bad. [00:29:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, like, you know, there's certain things that I don't ever, like, bring up with, you know, certain people unless I was, like, actually involved. You know, like, I, I, I don't, you know, ask about, like, previous, you know, life or previous relationships that you've had, I, I leave that alone. And unless you've ever wanted to talk about it. But, you know, I, I don't assume you do, you know, like, your entire life now revolves around kiddo, and I'm like, that's awesome. You know, and, you know, you'll bring up, you know, previous relationships, you know, or you know, you know, I'm talking about. [00:29:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:48] Speaker A: And, you know, but doesn't seem like you want to, you know, like, talk about, you know, anything that's happened there. And I leave it the fuck alone. I'm like, yeah, that ain't my fucking business. You know, I was never there. And, you know, I, I, you know, he's not asking me any, you know, advice, and it's something that's already passed, so. [00:30:14] Speaker B: Well, okay, so with that being said, just being, again, full transparency since we're having this deep conversation. [00:30:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:22] Speaker B: I, we have had a healthy separation where we weren't like arguing or anything. And, and I accept my responsibilities and stuff, and I don't blame them for anything. So there's no real animosity to talk about. [00:30:38] Speaker A: Yeah. You've never said a bad word. Never. I've known you for years and years and years. Never a bad word. Never, you know, like, you know, nothing. [00:30:50] Speaker B: And if anyone ever wanted to talk about it, I don't care. I'm an open book. But because we have a healthy separation and a healthy co parenting understanding that it doesn't matter. They're just, besides co parenting, they're just another person in life. [00:31:07] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, like, I don't, you know, like, I've met a lot of my mom's like, ex husbands and, you know, I'll, you know, I'll leave that alone. I'm like, yeah, nope. That, you know, whole chapter is closed. If you want to talk about it, we can talk about it. But, you know, now, now you're on to a different chapter of your life. And, you know, same thing with my dad. I'm like, I've met a lot of your ex wives, you know, and some of them were, you know, nuts. But I'm like, I'm not gonna, you know, sit here and, you know, stand up and, you know, try and talk, you know, about stuff. If you don't want to talk about it, if you want, you know, to talk about some shit, you know, bring it to the table and be like, hey, I want to talk about this. You know, I have, you know, feelings like that. That's why I Brought this whole situation up because I'm like, I have to talk about this. You know, like, you know, I spend all day in my truck, you know, just, like, crying on the way. I'm like, Then I, like. I get to a stop, and I, like, wipe off the tears, put on a battle face. I'm like, all right, let's go, and here's your tires. And then I'm like, all right. [00:32:15] Speaker B: But this is what I'm talking about with the healthy male relation. Like, so if we were. If we as a society accepted this, right? We accept females crying at work because it's a thing. It's an emotion. It happens. We don't accept men crying at work. [00:32:34] Speaker A: I mean, everyone that I've ever told, you know, this thing to, like, they've given me a big hug, and they're like, yeah, no. [00:32:42] Speaker B: Yeah. But, like, what I'm saying, though, is, like, a female could be crying, and you could be like, are you okay? And they could just simply be like, I'm having a bad day. I just need a moment, or whatever. And we let it go where, like, males, we don't feel confident enough to be able to just cry. And then somebody be, are you okay? And be like, I'm having a bad day again, like you just stated, you wipe off the tears, put on the battle face. That. That's just. [00:33:09] Speaker A: Oh, they still see the tears. They still see him sad. [00:33:12] Speaker B: No, I understand that. But you know what I mean, though. Like, that's just the thing, that we as a society should have more healthier relations. That's all. I'm just bringing that up. [00:33:23] Speaker A: I mean, you know, absolutely. Like, this is the first time in 10 years that I have I've cried. Like, the last time I cried, I remember, like, it was when my papa died. I'm like, oh. You know, And I'm like, that hit hard. But, yeah, I mean, this. No offense, Papa. This hit harder. This hit way. Like, I was there. I watched the decline. I was expecting it. I was braced for it. He was an old man, too. It wasn't like, you know, he was 32. It was, you know, he died of cancer, and I was able to say my final piece and tell him I loved him. [00:34:07] Speaker B: And there was closure. [00:34:08] Speaker A: There was closure, and it was all good. And then we, like, went out and had, like, brunch of mimosas. And, you know, it was still sad, but, you know, not like, you know, boom, you know? [00:34:24] Speaker B: And this one, too, like, just explaining with your. You have a lot of more emotions, too, because it was so abrupt. There was so much different feelings and stuff. And right now. And I'm only saying this because I haven't been through this exact situation, but I've been through similar situation. [00:34:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't. No one should ever go through this situation. Sucks. [00:34:45] Speaker B: You really do go through, like, what could I have done? Yeah, I. I know. [00:34:50] Speaker A: I. I'm playing the what if game. [00:34:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:53] Speaker A: Every day, you know, what if I did this? What if I did that? What if, you know, what if, what if, what if, what if, you know, what could I have done? What could I, you know, butterfly effect, you know, to, you know, make this all different. And there's just. [00:35:13] Speaker B: There's not an answer. [00:35:14] Speaker A: Yeah, there. There's nothing. It's like, oh, no. You just, you know, this just happened and it's just real life, and it absolutely fucking sucks 100% of the way. And it's like, fuck, like, we had plans. We. You know, like, when my water heater was gonna go out, like, you know, Bradley's like, oh, the second it comes out, you know, I'll drive on down and I'll help you install, like, a tankless heater. And I'm like, oh, hell yeah. We'll fucking drink beers and go shoot guns and it'll be a great time. And it. It's just. [00:35:56] Speaker B: So, speaking with societal health, do you plan on seeing a therapist? [00:36:01] Speaker A: Oh, what. What's really cool and really up. [00:36:08] Speaker B: One of our. [00:36:09] Speaker A: One of our really good friends in the. In the group. His mom is a grief counselor. And. Yeah, she's just there and, like, being the Jewish mother for all of us, you know, at any time that we need to, like, you know. [00:36:27] Speaker B: Yeah, but do you plan on, like. [00:36:28] Speaker A: Seeing a second therapist now or scheduling. [00:36:32] Speaker B: Like, real time and stuff? [00:36:34] Speaker A: Oh, I. I have, like, after everything is said and done, so we have a few events coming up, and after all that's done, then I'm gonna take that weekend off and so how far out is that from November 14th? Ain't bad. [00:36:58] Speaker B: That's fair. At least you have a play. It would be healthier and better, I think, if you saw one sooner. [00:37:05] Speaker A: But I'm not gonna go see a therapist. [00:37:07] Speaker B: No, I know. [00:37:07] Speaker A: It's gonna take, you know, time off for me and. Yeah, like. Like, emotionally, yes, I am sad. This, you know, is like, you know, terrible. But, like, you know, like, mentally, I'm fine. [00:37:26] Speaker B: Why wouldn't you be willing to see a random therapist? [00:37:31] Speaker A: What would they say? Oh, that sucks. That sucks that, you know, your friends are dead. The therapist didn't Know them, the therapist, you know, like, we have a, you know, a tight knit group in Durango and like, we all, you know, hung out together. We are all, you know, best, still are best friends and you know, like, if I need to, you know, talk about something, we can openly talk about it. Like there, there's nothing that, you know, it's like, oh, you know, you're crying up nothing. Like we understand but best. [00:38:09] Speaker B: Okay, so I feel you, I really do. And I'm only saying this as again, pro health and stuff, but I think as a society, if we were more socially accepting of therapy that I would say I, I would push you more towards therapy just for the fact that like, so my, I, like if a. [00:38:39] Speaker A: Therapist could help, I have, if it's something that I can't I have get through on my own, then yes, I would say let's go to a therapist. But I'm like, yeah, no, I'm getting through this. Like the first day after it fucking happened, like, I saw one of my friends and he had no idea. And he was, you know, also, you know, really good friends with Shelby and you know, in Durango and we, like, we all did karaoke together and I couldn't tell him I saw him. I looked him right in the eyes. I'm like, I, I, I'm like, dude, I, if I was to tell you right now, I, my day would be done. My day would 100. Like, I, I just had like, you know, kind of push on through the day and yeah, no, I spend a lot of time, you know, crying about it, but, you know, what's done is done and, you know, now it's time to heal. Now it's time to, you know, bring, you know, what good we can, you know, 15 organs were donated from all three of them. Well, not like in total. And you know, Shelby got like the honor walk and everything and it was great. And I was able to, you know, be on a phone call, like they put like the phone next to her head and I was able to say like my final goodbyes to Shelby and tell her I love her. And you know. [00:40:05] Speaker B: I just think therapy would be good for the fact that you used a couple words such as push through, put a mask on everything and like, you know, everything's okay. What, what could, what are they going to do? All these are like defensive words that like, I would personally, again, I'm not a therapist. I'm not anyone who's smart in anything, but I would say if we had free therapy and therapy was more accepting these are reasons why I would say. [00:40:42] Speaker A: I mean, if I didn't have a, you know, a support group, if I didn't have like a bunch of people to come, you know, feast on the sadness with me and like, you know, a tight knit group of friends in Durango, then yes, absolutely, I'd go fucking see a therapist. But you know, we can all, you know, kind of come together as a group, you know, big old group hug and tell each other that we love them and you know, just like I'm like that that's good. You know, everyone that, you know, fully understands each other that fully, you know, gets what each other is feeling. And I'm like, this is, you know, but like if you didn't have that, if you, you know, if you just went through like, you know, something terrible and you know, no one understood what you're feeling. Yes, a hundred percent, go see a therapist, you know, because they can actually, you know, help you. But like I, I feel like a support network that, you know, gets you and gets what you're going through, you know, that that's really where it's at. [00:41:51] Speaker B: I think therapy is a tool that could be used with that support group. And the only examples I want to give are like personal examples. I've heard from soldiers that have gone through different things in the service and yes, they had their close knit unit and stuff that were really good friends and like they did stuff together, but that was no replacement for the help. Therapy helped alongside that. And again, I'm not saying one or the other, I'm just saying like it's a very helpful tool that I think is good for everyone to use with addition to anything else. Not as it's the one and only fix or anything. Because I think you have to have a good support group to get through everything and then therapy will help with that. I think it is a lot harder if you don't have a support group and you're only depending on therapy. Again, just wanted it. [00:43:04] Speaker A: I feel like, you know, like therapy is like the DoorDash to your 40 hour a week job. Like, like, you know, that that's how I feel. It is, it's like it can help but if you don't use it, you know, wisely, like I wouldn't use it wisely. I wouldn't take it seriously. You know, some people therapy is amazing for absolutely go to therapy. [00:43:27] Speaker B: I don't think you would take it serious at all. I would fourth or fifth time when. [00:43:31] Speaker A: Then like it ain't gonna. It'd be like some good Will hunting, you know, and I would just, you know, immediately make jokes. Like, I. I'm already, you know, coming up with jokes for, you know, the comedy night on the 10th. So, like. Like, one of the things about Shelby is she, like, anytime there's, like, a shoplifter, she would chase them down. She was fearless. She didn't give a. She was like 5 foot, nothing, 100 pounds soaking wet. You know her. And she would chase them down and, you know, usually get in trouble, you know, doing it. It's like, you're not supposed to do that, Shelby. But I'm like, I imagine the next person that steals from her store, they're just gonna have, like, a random poltergeist, and there's gonna be, like, blood on the fucking mirror. Like, return what you stole. And, you know, like, oh, fuck, I stole so much shit. They're like, at Walmart back here. Take it all back. [00:44:35] Speaker B: Return what you saw. [00:44:37] Speaker A: Like, they're in an empty house, and you just have, like a. Like a bead, like, fucking bracelet. Like the bead bracelet. Yes. I could have kept the rest. Yeah, I didn't care. It's like, oh, return it. But, yeah, I mean, see, you know, it's funny. And, you know, Shelby would have loved that whole bit, you know, again, it's. [00:45:03] Speaker B: Only because I know you, and you absolutely wouldn't take it serious for at least the first four or five times. Maybe you would, but I know you. But I think a lot of comedians through dark humor try to get through things, but I think there's a lot that, like, struggle, even though they have good friends in that genre and stuff. And again, you. I know you. So that's why I'm not saying. [00:45:36] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, like, if. If I was not willing to talk about it, if I'm like, let me just, you know, shut all this out and never talk about it and just bury it deep and just keep it to myself, then, you know, that would be one thing. But, you know, like, I've talked to, you know, my mom, my dad, my grandma, my wife, you about this, and just, you know, it. It helps, you know, get through it, you know, because I don't want, you know, the. You know, everyone to be sad, but it's like, you know, hey, I'm, you know, emotionally sad. Emotionally sad that, you know, my friends are gone and, you know, like, even, like, you know, like, my online friends, like, sauce and genocide and, you know, all them, like, they're like, damn, that. That's awful. You know, like, that. That's truly up Dude, I'm like, oh, you guys are good friends. I was, you know, think that you'd make fun of me or something. Like, no, absolutely not. [00:46:38] Speaker B: It's really up, dude. Like, this whole podcast, I've been trying not to cry. [00:46:43] Speaker A: Yeah, no, like, I, I. [00:46:44] Speaker B: You. [00:46:44] Speaker A: You've heard me. I'm like, I. I'm. That's. That's why I'm playing with this. [00:46:50] Speaker B: But it's. It was, like, for me personally, it. It's just so abrupt that, like, I have so many mixed feelings and. [00:46:59] Speaker A: Yeah. And, like, I. I'm. I'm trying. Like, Bradley, like, was always, like, great to me. Every, like, he would, you know, give me his jacket in a snowstorm, even if he was freezing and even if I already had two jackets. I'm like, give me your jacket. And he just give it to me. And, like, I want to, you know, be like, fuck you, Bradley. And I do, fuck you, Bradley. How dare you do this to us? But I, like, any time I try and generate hate towards. I cannot. Like, there's a lot of people that absolutely fucking hate him. Like, he's a murderer. Fuck him. I'm like, yeah, but, you know, he did this. Yes. But he was also going and battling his own demons, and, you know, he was, you know, losing his entire fucking life. You know, everything that he ever had is, like, just gone. It's like, damn, dude, that sucks. And I wish you wouldn't have done this. I wish, you know, we had all just, you know, worked it out, you know, played pool on Fridays, and Shelby would have had karaoke night, and then, you know, we could all go camping and maybe, you know, y' all can get back together and, you know, work out. You know, the shit that was going on. [00:48:20] Speaker B: And. [00:48:23] Speaker A: You know, that that wasn't going to happen, like. And, like, you know, I, I. It just, you know, it's like one of those things that you see in a movie, and you're like, damn, that. That's awful. I'm glad that that's only in a movie. And that's, like, the worst possible thing. It's like, nope, nope. And, like, you know, going through this, I'm like, there's only, like, two things, you know, in this world that are, like, worse, and it's your spouse and your kid dying. I'm like, you know, spouse is number two. Kids, number one, obviously. And, you know, I know about, you know, like, watching parents, you know, lose their kid, because my mentor growing up, he calls me out of the blue, you know, like, as I'm like, getting off of work. He's like, alex, what are you doing? I'm like, this is weird. What's up? I'm like, getting off work. Wait, what's up? He's like, meet me over here. And just. His son, you know, wasn't answering any of his, you know, calls. Like, he had an adult son. And he's like, I have a bad feeling. And, you know, he should be in this area. It's like a wooded area. [00:50:02] Speaker B: And. [00:50:05] Speaker A: Like, we were going out searching and looking, you know, trying to find, you know, his son. [00:50:10] Speaker B: And. [00:50:12] Speaker A: You know, I was there when, you know, word came back and, you know, like, the fucking cry that, you know, his wife, you know, had haunts me. It's like that. That's all the pain just in one scream that I've had this entire, like, two weeks. That's all of it just compressed right there. I'm like, they're never gonna be okay again. Nothing's gonna be okay again. He was never the same. He was never the same, man. He was always so happy and then just. [00:50:59] Speaker B: So. [00:50:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, that. That's worse. That's why I don't have kids. And like, I. I was, you know, like, surprisingly, I didn't know his son, but, you know, he was, you know, always my mentor. Always giving me, like, good advice and, like, you know, being a dad towards me and just, you know, you know, he. He got through it, but he was never the same. They were never the same. Just so. Yeah, there's. There's worse things. But this is number three. This is a hard number three. A hard number three. Yes. If my wife died or if I had a kid and my kid died. Yeah, those are the only two, you know, but sorry to, you know, throw bad news on you. [00:52:09] Speaker B: No, I was just thinking, like, on me right now, it's like, could there be a different number three? What about your pee pee getting cut off? [00:52:16] Speaker A: No, like your torture. [00:52:17] Speaker B: But then I thought about. I was like, nope, nope. I would lose my PP for my best friends. [00:52:21] Speaker A: Yeah, 100% I would. You know, it's like if a genie is like, hey, we're gonna blow your penis off with, like, M80 firecrackers. I'm like, but your friends will be alive. I'm like, done. Get to it. Oh, hell yeah. And, like, they can all watch. Hell yeah. My penis is gone. But your guys are back. Hell yes. [00:52:42] Speaker B: Yeah, you're right. They're. They're. It's a hard three. [00:52:45] Speaker A: I'm like. I'm like, if I could switch Places with, like, you know, them. I'd be like, yeah, let's do it. Switch. But no, that, that the world's not made of magic. The world's made of harsh realities. And, you know, sometimes you, you know, you go through something awful and you just have to, you know, work through it. Like, for my other podcast, Another Flag. [00:53:09] Speaker B: I would say go to therapy. [00:53:17] Speaker A: Like, like, if it would work, I would, I would go. But, you know, for me, it's not something that, you know, would work for me. You know, like, having a job where I sit in an office all day. No, I can never do that. I, I, you know, that'd be wild, 100%. [00:53:34] Speaker B: But. [00:53:37] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll just, Everything will be, you know, will be better someday, you know, it, like, it'll never be 100. Okay. There's always going to be that hole. There's always going to be that memory. There's always going to, you know, like, in, like, five years, am I going to be crying every day? No. But, you know, anytime, like, I see a shark, I'm like, oh. Anytime, I see a bat, I'm like, oh, like, you didn't know Emma, but, like, you know how, like, you know, like, bubbly and, you know, like, pinkish. Shelby was. Yeah, Emma was goth. Like, they were like the, you know, the goth and, like, the Barbie. Yeah, like that. But, like, but yeah, that, that was, you know, them. Yeah. There's so many pictures of them together and. But, yeah, I mean, like, now is, like, the time for healing. Now is the time for, you know, just checking in on your friends. Now is the time to, you know, just, you know, be a better person, be kinder to the fucking people around you, maybe, you know, see the world in a different perspective. [00:55:24] Speaker B: I have to ask this question. Does this put in perspective that politics doesn't matter as much in our life as our friends and actual connection with humans? [00:55:41] Speaker A: Well, I mean, you know, my politics and your politics, you know, in truth, you know, differ vastly. We're still friends. You know, the fact that you, you know, we'll vote for, you know, a Democrat or, like, I see why you like your candidate and you don't see why, like, I like mine, but, you know, it's fine. You know, I see why, you know, people hate Trump. I'm like, I'm not like, oh, why, why do they. I get it, you know, but, you know, like, I, I, I see, you know, the end result and, you know, I, I see other countries and I'm like, oh, I don't want my country to Be like that make me, makes me racist. But it's fine, you know, but you know, I mean, like a lot of my friends, you know, in Durango are, you know, one way or the other and they'll say, you know, ICE or you know, mostly eyes, but. And I'm like, how are you sure that these people are actually ice, you know, how are you so sure that, you know, it's not just like a Django Unchained, you know, gang of people that are, you know, riding around pillowcases on their head? [00:56:59] Speaker B: Well, that's the issue though. Again, this is now diving into politics. But that's the issue though is like if Trump didn't give the go ahead to ICE of also being, you know, not are masked up and whatnot, then we would have better proof of it is ice because they have to identify themselves and stuff. [00:57:23] Speaker A: But since just have a badge, but. [00:57:25] Speaker B: Since they don't do that, just have. [00:57:27] Speaker A: A badge, that's it. [00:57:28] Speaker B: We don't have a way to be like, yeah, that's ice or that's not ice. So it has to default to that's ice. [00:57:33] Speaker A: So like what everyone's saying, why do people want to know their faces? Because they want to show up to their house and kill their wife and kids. [00:57:42] Speaker B: I don't think that's the same. Because what information it sups up. So if that's the reason why people want to know the faces of law enforcement that is detaining people, then isn't that due reasoning to assume that's why the other side wants to know the faces of protesters? Just so they could kill their family and kids like you? Just so. [00:58:09] Speaker A: No, so they can arrest them so they can, you know, fucking, you know. [00:58:14] Speaker B: Arrest them for protesting. [00:58:16] Speaker A: Arrest them for throwing bricks to the back of fucking cop cars. [00:58:20] Speaker B: I don't. So hold on again, I know this is getting political on this side, but so out of protests, how many, what's the percentage you honestly think is throwing bricks against in cars versus being peaceful? Nope. [00:58:40] Speaker A: Nope. [00:58:41] Speaker B: Just your opinion. [00:58:42] Speaker A: 10%. [00:58:43] Speaker B: 10%. Okay, 10%. [00:58:45] Speaker A: No, no, no. [00:58:45] Speaker B: So, so on that same subject, wouldn't then in theory 10% of law enforcement be doing bad things as well? Cuz. [00:58:54] Speaker A: No, because they have body cams. [00:58:57] Speaker B: But we're just talking about ICE that doesn't have body cams because they don't have the identifiers. [00:59:02] Speaker A: Oh, well, guess what, I have good news for you then. [00:59:07] Speaker B: Let's well. [00:59:11] Speaker A: To houses where ICE body cams, you know, US customers enforcement, ICE are increasingly using body cams during enforcement Activities in certain locations as part of a departmental policy aimed at increasing transparency and accountability. Yeah, so, yeah, so hold, wait. [00:59:38] Speaker B: So it's not required for all ice. They are just increasing. Using it so. Because words matter. So that's literally how that breaks down. [00:59:55] Speaker A: Pause. On this site. So, yeah, no, like, they have all been ordered in Chicago to all wear body cams. All ICE agents have to wear body cams. And I feel like all ICE agents should have, like, a visible badge. Like police officers do, you know, just, you know, have ICE on their back and a visible police badge, you know. [01:00:24] Speaker B: So I don't understand why you're. Okay. Like, so should police officers also mask up? [01:00:31] Speaker A: Yeah, sure, a lot of them do. [01:00:35] Speaker B: So law enforcement shouldn't be able to be identified. They should just be masked up and unidentifiable. [01:00:45] Speaker A: Swat. [01:00:47] Speaker B: I understand swat. [01:00:49] Speaker A: Not the fucking show, you asshole. Like this fucking good show. That's a handsome dude. But usually, like, when you see, like, SWAT officers, like, they'll. [01:01:00] Speaker B: When you see a SWAT officer in a raid, they cover up. But not just. [01:01:06] Speaker A: Yeah, when you. When you see SWAT officers, they're in a raid. [01:01:10] Speaker B: No, you see SWAT officers around. I've actually met SWAT officers. [01:01:13] Speaker A: Yeah, they're regular police officers. They're just, you know, have extra training. Right. They just get called to, you know, go do this. But yes, like, they'll, you know. Oh, look, masked up. Masked up. Masked up. I mean, I'm sure this is not. It's probably just like some clothing brand deal. [01:01:31] Speaker B: But we're training. [01:01:34] Speaker A: Let's see. Like, I. I like, you know, you know, uf, Pro, whatever. I don't give a shit. Oh, I can go buy the fucking gear. That's cool. Jackets. Does it say SWAT on it? Oh, my God. Doesn't matter if it's that swat. That's too damn expensive. Me, dude, $265. Eat my whole deck. You got on sale. Sale, please. They don't even have body armor accessories, please. Maybe just knee pads so I can get on their knees and suck my dick. [01:02:28] Speaker B: But yes, I believe law enforcement should be identified. You're working. You're technically working for the people. [01:02:36] Speaker A: I feel like if a law enforcement officer is dealing with you and arresting you or giving you a ticket or a citation, then they should have to identify themselves to you. But if you come up running into their face screaming with a camera. No, absolutely. And then if they. [01:02:54] Speaker B: The person who's running up scribbling to their face pays taxes, which then pays their salary because they are a public servant. The public servant should be identified. If you are, it's different. If you're a private. [01:03:09] Speaker A: Well, like why do you want to identify them? Like what are you going to do with that information? [01:03:14] Speaker B: It's freedom of information. So I know what's going on. So I got to make sure that you're saying who you are, you are you. I can't. There's. Why does it have to be nefarious? There's tons of people who are. [01:03:28] Speaker A: So. So if you know, like these guys, you know, unmask, take their masks off, identify themselves and then, you know, one of their families gets killed, it's gonna be an all out war. And anyone that fucking comes to protest immediately gets killed. Is that fair? [01:03:44] Speaker B: No, what's fair is if somebody kills their family, that person is. [01:03:50] Speaker A: Or how about this? Any property that's, you know, owned by any of these ICE agents, if you come onto the property uninvited, instant kill fucking squad. [01:04:01] Speaker B: No. Cause that's also not part of our societal constitution and laws. [01:04:07] Speaker A: If someone comes in this house uninvited, I have every right. Hold, wait. [01:04:13] Speaker B: Coming to your house and coming on property are two different things. First, cause well, my house is my property. [01:04:19] Speaker A: If they, if they come in the grass, I cannot kill them. [01:04:21] Speaker B: No. [01:04:22] Speaker A: So if like they're walking around out. [01:04:24] Speaker B: Hold on, wait, wait, wait, wait. Stop. Legally you are correct. But if we're talking what the public thinks is our property, then you are incorrect because people will think, hey, I'm gonna open this gate and take a step in and then that's my. You're stepping on my property, so I'm gonna shoot you. That is postman. [01:04:48] Speaker A: Bang, bang, bang. Amazon man. [01:04:52] Speaker B: But then like at the same time, if you're out in like, what's it called, the boonies and stuff and like you own land, it's the same you, you crossing that fence is them crossing down to their property. So again, if you are jumping over. [01:05:07] Speaker A: A fence, if it's an open fence, then yes, you can come on in, right? [01:05:11] Speaker B: But I. [01:05:12] Speaker A: But if I tell you to fucking leave and you don't leave, right, you know that I'm calling the cops. And you know, if you pull out a weapon, you know, and threaten my life, I will kill you. [01:05:21] Speaker B: So that is what law enforcement could do if somebody comes onto or to their property as well. That same steps. [01:05:30] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying you go up to their front door, but it's like if you say, hey, you know, all you people need to come the on out here and you know, get these you know, it's the same thing that got Charlie Kirk killed. It's the same exact fucking rhetoric that got fucking President Trump his ear fucking shot off. It's that same fucking insane. [01:05:51] Speaker B: What rhetoric? Hold on, wait, let's unpack this real quick. [01:05:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I like it. [01:05:55] Speaker B: What rhetoric got Charlie Kirk killed? [01:05:58] Speaker A: That he is a Nazi. That he is a hateful fucking Nazi that should be killed. And that was being spread all throughout the world. Stop. Your. [01:06:10] Speaker B: The extreme side may have said that he should have been killed. The left has never said he should be killed. It's the same as the extreme right side saying that all trans people should be killed versus the regular right side saying, we need to talk about this. So you can't just. [01:06:36] Speaker A: Would you say that I'm an extremist right wing person? [01:06:40] Speaker B: Are you saying that trans people should be killed? Because that's what you're saying. I'm actually friends with a few of them. [01:06:46] Speaker A: I know you are. [01:06:46] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. Like, so, so you have never, like, you have far right leaning views, but I wouldn't say you are on the extreme because you weren't like some of the stuff saying of Nick Fuentes or any of that type of stuff. [01:07:06] Speaker A: I have not seen a single one. Like, I've seen like clips and I'm like, I'm like, is he just like do this like non stop? I feel like he's just like one of those like 4chan people that just like goes on and be like, I said the N word. Like I like, if you're just gonna go out and just be like I said the N word and like, you know, fight me, bro. I'm like, shut the fuck up. [01:07:27] Speaker B: I'm a little confused because you like the right. There's a lot of groipers. [01:07:35] Speaker A: And what is a groiper? What is this? Like, I hear this word a bunch. What the fuck is a groiper? Like, like, I'm like, are they trying to say like raper and like, like not fucking like saying it's the group. [01:07:47] Speaker B: That decided to follow like Nick Fuentes and stuff. Like it's their like what they call, like I don't know how to explain it properly. [01:07:57] Speaker A: What a dumb ass name. I hate it. Like, like it makes you sound like a fucking fish or something. Shut your ass up. You know, come up with your own goddamn opinions. Have your own fucking podcast. I do it. I have my own fucking podcast. I'm here. [01:08:10] Speaker B: Boom. [01:08:11] Speaker A: You know, I, I say my own goddamn opinions. I don't, you know, watch Nick Fuentes. Enough to really, you know, give a shit. I. I don't really watch any of them enough to really give a shit. You know, but, like, I went on a fucking Charlie Kirk, you know, fucking thing and a Steven Crowder fucking thing, and for the longest time, I thought, they're the same fucking person. [01:08:31] Speaker B: That's hilarious. [01:08:32] Speaker A: Like, I see the same person. I'm like, isn't that guy dead? Like, oh, no, that's Steven Crowder. [01:08:37] Speaker B: But. [01:08:38] Speaker A: But I like some of them, like, you have good points. [01:08:43] Speaker B: I'm just saying, though, like. So going back to the whole Charlie Kirk thing. So it hasn't been proven now that the assassination was from a leftist, because that was dropped after a little bit. [01:08:57] Speaker A: Because, hey, fascist catch. [01:08:59] Speaker B: No, that one per. That. Hey, fascist catch and all that other fun stuff. Because what. What about if you're reading this, you're gay? Like, that's not a left thing either, though. That's so, like. No, it's not. What it. What he is is literally one of the, like, this meme thing that we. [01:09:21] Speaker A: Have that's on the right. We have jobs. [01:09:23] Speaker B: No, no, stop. [01:09:23] Speaker A: We don't have memes. [01:09:25] Speaker B: So he doesn't have a political identity of left or right. He has left lean views. Right lean views raised by right people. Has a leftist girlfriend. There's a lot of different things going on. [01:09:39] Speaker A: So, yeah, I mean, on the right, we're like. We're starting to accept trans people. We're not dating them. [01:09:43] Speaker B: So I'm just saying that I don't even think a lot of y' all are accepting of them. [01:09:49] Speaker A: But I mean, I think, like, we're secretly, like, you know, having secret relationships with them and back. Yeah. Don't tell anybody, though. [01:09:58] Speaker B: I do want to break that down one day. But. But so, like, I don't. With. There's some trans people that are hot. That inflammatory statement of, like, well, the left is doing this, and that's what killed Charlie Kirk, I don't think is true. I think with this. [01:10:17] Speaker A: Did you say a single right person? [01:10:19] Speaker B: I think with this single person. [01:10:20] Speaker A: Right. I think celebrating. [01:10:22] Speaker B: I think this gross divide of left and right is what's getting. What's got Charlie Kurt killed. I think this monumental divide of us not being able to talk to the other side and us, the, like, both sides, just assuming this is that and whatnot and not being able to come together in a intellectual or peaceful conversation is what got Charlie Kirk killed. I also think, again, back to our original conversation, too, is that if we had stricter gun laws and Stuff that would also have had Charlie Kirk lived now. [01:11:06] Speaker A: Oh, no. He used an old fucking gun that it's like Grandpa had. [01:11:10] Speaker B: I understand that. [01:11:10] Speaker A: So it doesn't matter what the fucking gun laws were. None of the gun laws, even the fucking crazy California gun laws wouldn't have saved them. [01:11:19] Speaker B: I think that it would have with, again, some of the conversation that we had earlier about requiring mental screening and stuff like that. [01:11:29] Speaker A: I mean, he wasn't going through anything fucking too crazy. He just decided, hey, I'm gonna, you know, jump up on a fucking roof and, you know, take a shot. And like, sometimes that's just what happens. It's like, sometimes you have the fucking tools, like, you know, fucking. Sometimes you're like, I have a chainsaw. I have a fucking leather mask. I'm gonna go, Ed, geen it up. You know, and then you have a Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Not a Texas AR15 massacre, Texas Chainsaw Massacre on a big dude that you could probably run away from. But guess what? It was a massacre. I understand it was a fucking, you know, movie based on a real fucking dude, and that really didn't happen. But, you know, Ed Gein was a real person. I think there's, like, a fucking Netflix documentary that everyone's fucking geeking out about. [01:12:17] Speaker B: But there is some documentary that everyone is geeking out about, but I think. I don't think it's the extreme left that got Charlie Kirk killed. So I just wanted. [01:12:30] Speaker A: I think it's just extremism that, you know, gets people killed. You know, extreme fucking views. You should kill people. You should get divorced. You should do this. You. You know, it's like, think for yourself. You'll come up with your own fucking ideas, your own fucking thoughts. Big, what should I do? And you can, you know, have, you know, advice from, you know, good people that have a good head on their shoulders. Not from the Internet. You know, like, honestly, you know, take some time off. Don't go on the Internet. Don't, you know, stay off of fucking, you know, Facebook and, you know, Instagram and all that dumbass bullshit. You know, it's like, go out and fucking, you know, go meet someone new. [01:13:08] Speaker B: I do have a random. Like, tying this into our social culture and stuff like that and talk about Internet culture as well. Do you think the couple that got caught on that baseball game or whatever, they should have been doxed and fired? Or you think it was just a funny thing that should have just been done and, like, not dived into, like, that. [01:13:31] Speaker A: The baseball game. I mean, the Nickelback concert. [01:13:34] Speaker B: Yeah, Nickelback concert. My bad. Yeah. I mean, because I am a. I think it's hilarious. And I think back in the day, if, like on tv, it wouldn't. And we didn't have the Internet, it would just been a funny thing that was talked about and that's where it should have stopped personally. [01:13:53] Speaker A: I mean, here's, you know, really what it is. It's around. Find out there are consequences for your actions and sometimes you get caught. [01:14:01] Speaker B: So then why can't we have our federal agents be identified? Like, I don't. Okay. [01:14:09] Speaker A: I identify them. And if anything happens, everyone that access that site is now going to prison. How about this? Have a website, you know, that has everyone's. [01:14:19] Speaker B: Well, I don't. Okay, so I don't understand. So years ago we. We could even use what, 20, 23. Mm. We didn't care about her agents and people being masked up. Let's put in Obama's years. Obama is the deporter in chief of fucking the world of America and no one cared. Yeah, I cared. I cared. I talked about it a lot. I am not just Obama. Dick Rider. Now, there's. There's shit that, like, I like that Obama did, but him being the. The deporter in chief and also the fucking person who used the most drone strikes before Trump, those were terrible things he did. And so again, back to saying that with Obama and being the deporter in chief, we didn't give a shit about if our ICE agents were fucking masked or not. We didn't give a shit about anybody being master. Not why. Why do we care now versus before. And the same rule should apply then. If any of those federal agents, family, anything happened, the person who perpetrated that attack got in trouble by our laws and that same thing should happen now and everything should still be worth. [01:15:33] Speaker A: But at the same time, you know, how cool would it be is if they just stayed masked up. [01:15:39] Speaker B: No. [01:15:39] Speaker A: You know, and then their families get to live. [01:15:42] Speaker B: So are we trying to. Whoa, wait, no one. Okay. [01:15:46] Speaker A: Or all you have to do is just go in, change all their fucking information back, you know. Oh, yeah. They live here. And anyone that, you know, shows up to that fucking house immediately gets arrested. Like, if you show up to that house, they're like fucking protest. That's fucking stalker behavior. And just get thrown in stalker fucking prison forever. You just get fucking, you know, spirited away. And you know, like, pretty much anytime you like, you look up their information. Oh, they look at, you know, they live at this house. And then you just, you know, so. [01:16:14] Speaker B: You Want to lock people up for protesting? [01:16:16] Speaker A: No, no, not protesting. [01:16:18] Speaker B: You literally just said that you show up to protest. [01:16:21] Speaker A: No, I'm saying, you know, when they, you know, everyone fucking take off your masks and the government has the power to change your address and the magical thing that you'd look up. Okay. So, I mean, you can follow the ICE agents home if you really want to know who they are. But, you know, how often do you. [01:16:39] Speaker B: Think ICE agents families are being attacked? [01:16:43] Speaker A: Never. Because they're fucking masked up. It's the same reason. [01:16:47] Speaker B: Before they were masked up, how often do you think ICE agents were being attacked? Their families were being attacked. [01:16:56] Speaker A: How many ICE agents families have been attacked? More than a thousand percent. On npr, too. Let's go to npr. You know, would you agree that NPR is valid? [01:17:12] Speaker B: Wait, timeout. [01:17:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:18] Speaker B: So if we're talking increase assaults on ICE agents, and then if we're going to go with the guy who threw a Subway sandwich out of ICE agent, and to count that as salt and as part of that, that's inflating that number. Just want to be transparent. So if we're talking actual assault on ICE agents, that is a different subject and a different story. And then on top of that, that NPR thing that you brought up. [01:17:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:54] Speaker B: It was increased on ICE agents. And we're talking about ICE agents families. [01:18:00] Speaker A: Do you see here how many ICE agent families have been attacked? [01:18:04] Speaker B: Right. And then you clicked on the available. [01:18:06] Speaker A: Public information does not specify how many families of Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agents have been intact. Official sources and news reports track assaults against agents themselves, but do not provide separate statistics. Attacks on their families. Correct. So here. Here's the, you know, the information that you need there. But, you know. [01:18:31] Speaker B: Right. [01:18:32] Speaker A: So when it's a thousand percent up on agent, it's like, you know, I'm worried that, you know, some of these people might get so fucking demented that they'll, you know, go and be like, you know, I'm gonna go fuck, yeah, but you can't. I'm gonna go create the next Punisher. [01:18:48] Speaker B: We. We can't talk about and stop. Prevent crime of. Well, this might happen. So we're gonna stop this. Cause in that same scenario, we do. [01:19:00] Speaker A: That all the time. We do it every day. What are you talking about? This might happen. So we're not gonna allow it. You know, hey, guess what? I can't own a machine gun because something might happen with a machine gun. I can't. [01:19:13] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure we stopped letting people own brownies and stuff like that because there were Criminals that had brownies were using it against law enforcement. And that's why we stopped. We made that illegal. So it wasn't a hypothetical. We made those illegal after there was an issue. [01:19:32] Speaker A: Wasn't it Nixon that did that whole thing? [01:19:36] Speaker B: I. I thought it was Reagan. [01:19:38] Speaker A: It was Nixon. Reagan, whatever. They're the same guy. [01:19:41] Speaker B: They are not the same guy. [01:19:43] Speaker A: Exact same guy. [01:19:45] Speaker B: Trump is the same guy as Nixon and Reagan. [01:19:47] Speaker A: Oh, no. One of them was like, take down that wall, Mr. Gorbachev. [01:19:57] Speaker B: Though. TRUMP is, I guess, more Reagan than. [01:19:59] Speaker A: He's like, build that wall, Mr. Garbage. [01:20:04] Speaker B: Well, because they're both. They're both actors. They're both Republicans. They're both actors. Yeah. [01:20:11] Speaker A: Actor. Have you seen the Apprentice? Motherfucker's not an actor. Have you seen Fucking. [01:20:17] Speaker B: He has acting credits for the Public Homo. [01:20:20] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, Fucking. He met him at fucking Trump Tower. [01:20:23] Speaker B: Oh, he was also. He also had acting credits at. What was it? Did you go all the way? [01:20:29] Speaker A: Yeah. That's not an act. Right? Like, anytime, like, I, like, if you move fucking trucks around a yard, you're not a truck driver. Suck my dick. It's like, I fucking, you know, took the test once to become a truck driver. Am I a truck driver? No, you're not a truck driver. Yeah, we're already way over time, so. But yeah, I mean, you know, how about this? Everyone gets mask up, you know, treat it like Halloween, you know, trick or treat, stop, you know, firebombing, you know, and shooting at ice facilities because they're only hitting the, you know, people that are there, you know, you know, as illegal immigrants. Like, how up would that be? It's like, oh, these two are, you know, actually supposed to be here in America and. And they're leading them out and they just both get shot. And like, fuck, you heard about that one, right? [01:21:27] Speaker B: They shot at a building and those people got shot. [01:21:30] Speaker A: Yeah, that's fucked up. Don't do that. Stop doing that. You know, bring peace. If you want peace, be the peace, you know, you know, holding a gun. Yes, of course. I am the peace. [01:21:45] Speaker B: Peace through power. Right. [01:21:47] Speaker A: Peace through fear. Yeah, no, this is a good distraction, but, yeah, I mean, look out for your friends. You know, you can have different political views and still be friends with somebody. I mean, you don't have to, like, scream at them and say that they're wrong or. And everything will be fine. You know, sometimes you, you know, can't convince people and, you know, if you're having a tough time and you, you know, need a little bit extra help and You're a dude. Go get that extra help. Like, honestly, there's. There's no fucking shame in it. No one's gonna, like, make fun of you. No one's gonna think less of you. [01:22:28] Speaker B: Just. [01:22:29] Speaker A: I would like, you know, everyone to, you know, be, you know, okay, I'd like this to, you know, be the last act of violence that, you know, ever fucking happens. I like to just use my guns to fucking put holes in paper and go plink some steel every once in a while or, you know, miss all my shots, cuz I'm a terrible shot anyway. But, you know, just like that, that's what I want. I. I want, you know, the world to be peaceful and I, I want this to be like my last tears for, you know, a long time. Oh, my Lord. [01:23:01] Speaker B: Kumbaya. [01:23:04] Speaker A: Yes, absolutely. You know, yeah, you might be like, oh, fucking truck is being, you know, dumb and gay and whatever. I don't care. You know, Like, I. I honestly hope that, you know, no one else ever has to deal with this. So, you know, we'll. We'll go ahead and end it there. Sorry, it was a long episode or, you know, cool, it's a long episode. But yeah, this is just, you know, talk about your feelings with your friends, you know, and not everything is going to be that one meme video where it's like, hey, guys, if I was going through something, would you be there for me? [01:23:34] Speaker B: Nope. [01:23:36] Speaker A: I hope it sucks. Whatever you're going through, I hope you reach out for me so I can ignore you. [01:23:43] Speaker B: I don't know what video you're talking about. [01:23:45] Speaker A: Oh my God. I'm gonna. Yeah, I'm gonna show you that. But see you all fucking in two weeks. Yeah. Love your family. Love yourselves. Bye. [01:23:55] Speaker B: Peace.